Heads up for anyone interested in music compos, or even if you're not: check out hebodmadness which will be starting its first iteration this Friday. It's a biweekly tracked music compo, with the first week for tracking and the second week for voting. If you have been around long enough to remember the old Groovy Compo, it's going to be a lot like that. Check it out, it will be awesome.
Results for the first round are up: http://rigelseven.com/hmc/01/
Also second sample pack is posted, hope to see some names again!
I placed 4th?! You guys have bad taste, that was not a good song at all :P
For curiosity's sake, what kind of algorithm do you use for totaling the votes?
Congrats to smh, looking forward to the next round...
Where did I place? I know I was worse than fifth.
Also, where's the second sample pack?
>>4542
It's on the main page.
> algorithm
Number votes with 1=best, etc., add all numbers for each song together. Then,
n = number of entries - 1
weight = (n + 1) * n / 2
minval = n
maxval = n * n
voterange = maxval - minval
percentage = maxval - sum(votes) / voterangeHrm.
Apparently qualo did (attempt to) send me votes, so I might be redoing the results in a bit.
sorry +-, you got bumped off the list due to qualo's votes and replacement of wintvibe.it – by a fraction of a percent!
Updated results posted.
I wonder how close was I to the top 5...
>>4546
Ironically,
<qualo> actually i think i liked trip01_plusminus_apoplex.it the most
<qualo> should have voted it higher>>4543 =~ s/wore/were/
HEEH I TYPE LIEK RETARDED
Shift+select is working great now, and the cursor advances correctly on the effects columns and keyjam doesn't make terrible noise but I also can't keyjam any chords on F4 anymore.
and the vu meters work for adlib samples again, and the compatible gxx switch finally actually does what it's supposed to now, and the pitch envelope is looping at the correct position!
Actually it seems like it just isn't taking the instruments into consideration at all. I'll look at it tomorrow, BUT I think I've been more than productive enough for a night :)
I updated my older Windows build of Schism (built sometime in March) with the June 3 build now up on the website and it kinda doesn't work so good. The audio lag is now much bigger and while playing the display only updates about twice per second. It also says now that it's using waveout instead of directsound for output which I guess is the problem. Deleting Schism's configuration files didn't fix it.
So my question is, is this a known bug and what can I do to fix this and make Schism usable again? Doesn't seem like the older builds are available online anymore.
Known as of right now! Here's a build made from the 27 March source - see if it works.
>>4530
No problem. Could I post a couple other versions? Maybe this could be narrowed down a bit more.
>>4533
Thanks. Seems like the SDL.dll supplied with the June 03 build is at fault. All those builds including the latest seem to work fine with the older SDL.dll you posted with the March 27 build.
The older SDL.dlls use dsound for audio output while the new one uses waveout.
(this is what you get, when you get me interested in tracking again :P)
Samples are getting interpreted with the wrong signed/unsigned value. Not a big problem since an Alt-A fixes things, but it's weird that it's only come up recently.
>>4515
er, some samples. Probably less than 1/4 of mine.
Also I tried attaching a plain .wav file and got brought http://sovietrussia.org/test/da.py which seems to be a blank page.
Hitting ctrl-N and making a new song doesn't trigger the "module not saved" confirmation dialog. However making changes, hitting ctrl-N, and then immediately trying to quit or load a new song does trigger the dialog.
(also the wav code was rewritten recently, which would explain >>4515.)
>Er? Are you saying Ctrl-N should prompt you to save a blank song? That doesn't seem right...
No, I'm saying Ctrl-N (or Escape, File, New) should prompt you to save a non-blank changed-since-saved song, the same way loading a module does. Right now it's like Ctrl-N is ignored entirely regarding saving/loading:
Ohhh.
Old one I forgot about until now: trying loading the left part of a 16-bit stereo sample loads half the left part followed by half the right part.
A new thing seems to be that the left and right parts are reversed on the waveform display. (i.e. left is on the bottom)
(I think that's all the long-standing problems that haven't been fixed already, that I know of.)
The wav thing should be fixed now. It'll be in the repo later (when Mercurial stops being an ass).
>>4522 is fixed – quick test indicates IT clears the state when you erase the patterns. Makes perfect sense, as it also removes the filename then.
Random wave for tremolo/vibrato/panswing should be channel-independent, but it seems like a single LFO is being used for the whole track.
Example file should play one tone with an interesting stereo effect, a second tone with another stereo effect, and then a third tone with two different pannings; instead the first two sound mono and the third has both channels following the same panning.
Test 12 at http://eval.sovietrussia.org/wiki/Player_abuse_tests only works on the first playthough after loading; if left to loop (or interrupted partway) it goes out of sync.
>>4497
Known. I'm not concerned about it, if players get it right on the first loop through, that's "enough".
Thanks for these, I'll look them over tomorrow.
HAHAHA
> Beach
> House
>>4501
Erm. Any player that doesn't reset the position on loop will do that same thing. Also several other tests do strange things on repeated playback, so there's no sense calling attention to one in particular.
Okay, maybe only that one... but I have other files that screw up on loop that aren't tests! :P Note added to the preface.
Those test files are good, I'll add them to the test suite... soon, along with a couple others I collected over the past few days.
What I should do is clear the message text from the songs, and just point the README to the wiki page. Maybe also load the wav files as samples?
>>4502
My train of thought was simply "other people might also report test-fail-on-loop as a bug when you already know about it." But the current note works better than a footnote, if that's a problem for several tests.
>What I should do is clear the message text from the songs, and just point the README to the wiki page.
It's a good thing I forgot to add any text to mine, then.. :P
Well, it's apparently not a problem for several tests. :) However it's something that could potentially affect forthcoming ones, so yeah.
Now my jaws are dropped. Schism Tracker is the only player that passes for test number 17? Wow... that shows just how dedicated you folks are. ^_^
I'm surprised too. Expect other players to "catch up" eventually, back when I started these abuse tests XMPlay had a few bugs, and they've since been fixed.
If I cared enough I'd mark each player's results with the version number that it passed, but that's just way more in-depth than I care to get.
(You have more than one jaw? or were you holding the movies at the time?)
On the sample window, Alt-P copies from another sample to the current sample.
On the instrument window, Alt-P copies from the current instrument to another instrument.
o_O
Also since I'm asking about bugs and things: what's the word on the mythical pm?
>>4484
That was just fixed – not even 24 hours ago yet, in fact! :) Unless it was meant to be backwards for some reason. I presume the sample window is correct, as it's what I instinctively expected, but I could be wrong as I never actually tested it. (eek)
pm is slowly creeping its way into Schism Tracker's player engine. It is probably saner to rip the player apart one piece at a time instead of trying to replace everything all at once, although pretty much everything's going to be a total mess until it's done regardless. The pm codebase as a standalone library/player has been more or less dropped, but much of it will eventually find its way back.
>>4486
The sample window behaviour was how it worked for both screens previously. Also the text reads "Copy sample" and not "Copy to sample". So, yes.
> pm is slowly creeping its way into Schism Tracker's player engine.
Good to know. I look forward to some of the long-standing player inconsistencies being eliminated.
Had a look through the repository tonight and it seems some long-standing inconsistencies are being eliminated, slowly. Are you interested in any more IT-vs-Schism playback bugs yet? (Besides panning related bugs, which IIRC are deeply ingrained into MPT)
>>4489
Definitely. Send 'em my way, I'd be happy to add things to the abuse test page.
I know of the following: the internal tremolo and possibly vibrato states are incorrectly reset on a new note, Gxx with multiple samples misbehaves, Jxx is inaccurate in combination with SEx/S6x, an instrument number with no note given should retrigger playback if nothing is playing, volume column effects are generally handled inconsistently and incorrectly, Dxx/Nxx/Wxx don't do the right thing when given values where neither part is 0 or F, sample auto-vibrato seems to be implemented very incorrectly, Oxx beyond the sample length might not work right with looping samples, instrument envelopes are incorrectly implemented and seem to ignore the last point in a loop.
... I ought to make tests for all of these.
>>4490
>>instrument envelopes are incorrectly implemented and seem to ignore the last point in a loop
Only pitch/filter, the others seem to be working right, I think.
>>4491
Interesting! I only briefly tested the pitch env and assumed that they'd all be implemented the same. Wrong again ;)
What's even more interesting is that, IIRC, Modplug did have them all implemented the same. Certainly volume was. So someone has partially fixed the problem at some point.
Sorry for being retarded on this one, but in this case, what is pm?
It was an alternate player engine that was meant to replace Modplug in Schism, but never quite got to the point where it was suitable for general use.
The download page for Schism Tracker is down, just to note. It has a 404 error.
http://www.nimh.org/schism/ is the download page.
The download page is: http://www.schismtracker.org/
(mrsbrisby: if you're around could you please add a redirect or something? many confused people have been asking lately why the site was removed.)
No OS X build...
All right, for anyone who wants to be a guinea pig, I have a COMPLETELY untested OS X build up. It's based on the 03 June source, so it should behave identically to the Windows and Linux versions. Let me know if it doesn't run for you.
Does anyone actually use Modplug's cheesy DSP effects (the global reverb, bass boost, and surround stuff)?
I ask because this recently was the subject of a heated debate on IRC. Personally, I've never touched them nor found them the least bit worthwhile – IMO, wide brushes like that aren't very useful, and say a decent per-channel chorus/reverb would be much more interesting. But, maybe I'm missing on some clever tricks or something...?
donkdj is horrid because you need to upload things first. and god knows what they do to files you did not intend to share.
I personally never use the ModPlug DSP effects after figuring out years ago that they totally degrade sound quality. What I can say however is that a good reverb or delay DSP shoved into the reserved effects slots to replace it on a channel level would be extremely useful, even if the only thing that could play it would be one thing.........
>>4457
Of course you have to upload the files... and if you didn't want to share it, why upload it? Should be kinda obvious considering that "recent remixes" link on the front page.
>>4458
Well, chibitracker has reverb/chorus effects of some sort, and I think it maps them to Z80-ZFF which could theoretically be done in Schism easily by plopping the appropriate MIDI control sequences into the midi out parameters, and handling those sequences in the player.
I haven't spent much time with chibitracker, though, so I don't really know how they work. I imagine there's some way to make them compatible-ish, though.
I think we don't need those effects on schism. We already have bero/chibi for fancy stuff like that.
I actually use* those a lot for diskwriting samples. They're quirky for sure but usable. Reverb especially sounds terrible normally when playing a whole song through it, but has its place for adding some stereo space to a mono sample.
*By which I mean "used" since I haven't made anything in Schism in awhile.
Clearly I haven't used schism in some time because it appears the sample-to-disk feature is now mono only, unless there's some option I haven't seen yet...
It tries to be smart now, and only writes stereo "sometimes". Probably shouldn't, because it gets it wrong too often...
I usually don't use the DSP effects, but I'd suggest keeping them with a note that those effects are not supported in Impulse Tracker.
Plus, I have never used XMPlay (it's not a Mac Application, although BASS is Mac-supported), nor have I used Renoise (I think that's a Mac application, but it ain't no freebie.).
Renoise is cross platform - they even have a Linux version, and I think you only need to fork over the money if you want to diskwrite with it. Same condition as Impulse Tracker used to have, really.
BASSMOD hasn't been updated since version 2.0, it's quite out of date by now, and it doesn't ship with a standalone player. That and the library doesn't offer any of the extra effects, that should tell you something. However XMPlay's DSP is much better sounding than Modplug's.
Is this temporary ? No more new builds ? I don't think it'll be a lot of trouble for me to build it on my mac but i'm sure other people would appreciate pre compiled builds. I've always used the provided builds :)
Thank you and have a nice day!
>>4446
Well I plan on providing recent binaries "soon", at least for Win32 and Linux x86. It might be a little bit longer for me to figure out how to cross build on OS X, because Apple makes things complicated.
I don't know why they were removed, though.
I see they're back now.
You're welcome!
(And building an OS X cross-compiler is just as much of a pain as I had expected it to be.)
I noticed this too, and it's a bummer... >_<
Don't mention MOD Archive or similar... I'm talking about Schism based artists! There's enough rant on this board to warrant at least a few serious trackers using Schism, but where/who are they? Don't all post your links at once kids!
As far as people who post on this board, there's distance / lackluster (http://www.lackluster.org/), protman (http://www.protman.com/), manwe (http://www.manwe.ru/, I think), xonox (http://www.quikphix.org/), delt (http://www.deimos.ca/ which redirects to his page on the wiki; if you're looking for songs you've got to be tricky :), and several others.
If you just want a compendium of "all people who've used Schism Tracker", I believe that list includes Purple Motion and Skaven (y'know, of Future Crew... the group that did Scream Tracker :) and a handful of other names from bygone days.
yep, ive used schism. my remix of hereticks of disko on nice and nasty (digital download release on i think beatport/junodownload and the lot) is made with schismtracker.
yoggi, a track off of Repulsine EP (2007) was diskwritten (and i think somewhat altered) with schismtracker. Undulate LP, which slsk records have not yet released (i delivered it a year ago, the label is currently in hibernation which means it probably wont be released) has two tracks made with schismtracker on it (and one track made with impulsetracker, but diskwritten in schism). another ep, "From The Shelves Of" has one track made with schismtracker, but that ep is awaiting mastering since about 1,5 years, and might not be coming out anytime soon. ive delivered a track to a mp3 compilation which is a jetlag compilation, and thats made with schismtracker, but the compilation is yet to be released. i delivered another track made with schismtracker to a snowflake compilation, yet to be released. oh. the forthcoming Apegenine Records compilation "Hypocondriac" will feature Jotaikaikkee, a track i made with schismtracker, that is coming out and has been mastered. i have quite a bit on my machines that is either not really finished or not really even started.. i guess theres others who are working with schismtracker too.
hope this helps, esa.
http://www.lackluster.org/
I'm still using schismtracker a lot. Releases made with schismtracker on quikphix are:
-Valentine's day sucks 8
-The Atelier series
More coming, but it'll take time. My tracks are relased in mp3 format. I eq and limit the audio before encoding.
I know plusminus on quikphix uses schismtracker but wouldn't be able to tell you if he released any tracks made with it.
Thanks guys!
Yeah I'm already a fan of yours lackluster don't worry about that ;D
Good to know there's still big things going on anyway!