Does anyone actually use Modplug's cheesy DSP effects (the global reverb, bass boost, and surround stuff)?

I ask because this recently was the subject of a heated debate on IRC. Personally, I've never touched them nor found them the least bit worthwhile – IMO, wide brushes like that aren't very useful, and say a decent per-channel chorus/reverb would be much more interesting. But, maybe I'm missing on some clever tricks or something...?

Actually, i've thought about using those with the disk writer to make new samples.

Sadly i couldn't figure out how the EQ works to cut frequencies. I could only get it to boost frequencies...

If schism is bound to stick with .IT format (i have no problem with that), we could perhaps have some dsp effects that we could use to make new samples with the disk writer. A decent reverb would be most useful.

Otherwise it's a pain to export to another proggie and tweak and reload in schism...

Maybe we could use a feature to call up external tools like SOX on samples...

Just suggesting...

Shift-F5: XBass, Reverb, Surround: keep it. It adds a little depth to old pseudomono modules.

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if I want to use DSP effects, I'll either put them on in xmplay or use goddamn renoise

i never used them because i think they sound terrible. on the other hand, i think xmplay has good reverb (with proper tweaking of the reverb level).

Personally, I strongly dislike them and I think that sort of thing doesn't belong in a tracker. It tramples all over the sound, and it removes the assurance that it will sound "right" for other people because it suddenly relies on player-specific settings that don't get saved in the file. Plus, philosophical reasons aside, the quality of Modplug's effects never struck me as anything impressive either. I think the 'surround' for example just makes everything sound muddy and echoey. XBass can be done with the equalizer (which, IMO, is useful because it allows for adjusting the sound to match the speakers. Or at least in theory; sure, people can abuse it for all sorts of reasons.

Not to mention, these effects don't play nicely with the diskwriter, and in particular the pattern-to-sample features – you'd end up doubling the effect. So you would have to disable them, write the sample, and then enable them again.

On the other hand, if you just write the whole song to disk and open it up in something else, you would then be open to a whole slew of postprocessing features, such as decent sounding global stereo reverb, compression, filtering, fine-tuned EQ, and so on. Then you can save the result as an mp3 or something, and release that, and you can be sure that your track will sound "right" everywhere. (But that's getting into a whole different branch of politics.)

For just playing songs, well, I think they should be listened to as they were written. It might be a bit of a stretch of a comparison, but I think adding a bunch of extra processing to the track is sort of akin to running everything through DonkDJ: good for brief amusement, terrible for extended listening.

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wth do I want with xmplay, I am as much interested in Windows stuff as Storlek currently is.

donkdj is horrid because you need to upload things first. and god knows what they do to files you did not intend to share.

I personally never use the ModPlug DSP effects after figuring out years ago that they totally degrade sound quality. What I can say however is that a good reverb or delay DSP shoved into the reserved effects slots to replace it on a channel level would be extremely useful, even if the only thing that could play it would be one thing.........

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Of course you have to upload the files... and if you didn't want to share it, why upload it? Should be kinda obvious considering that "recent remixes" link on the front page.

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Well, chibitracker has reverb/chorus effects of some sort, and I think it maps them to Z80-ZFF which could theoretically be done in Schism easily by plopping the appropriate MIDI control sequences into the midi out parameters, and handling those sequences in the player.

I haven't spent much time with chibitracker, though, so I don't really know how they work. I imagine there's some way to make them compatible-ish, though.

I think we don't need those effects on schism. We already have bero/chibi for fancy stuff like that.

I actually use* those a lot for diskwriting samples. They're quirky for sure but usable. Reverb especially sounds terrible normally when playing a whole song through it, but has its place for adding some stereo space to a mono sample.

*By which I mean "used" since I haven't made anything in Schism in awhile.

Clearly I haven't used schism in some time because it appears the sample-to-disk feature is now mono only, unless there's some option I haven't seen yet...

It tries to be smart now, and only writes stereo "sometimes". Probably shouldn't, because it gets it wrong too often...

I usually don't use the DSP effects, but I'd suggest keeping them with a note that those effects are not supported in Impulse Tracker.

Plus, I have never used XMPlay (it's not a Mac Application, although BASS is Mac-supported), nor have I used Renoise (I think that's a Mac application, but it ain't no freebie.).

Renoise is cross platform - they even have a Linux version, and I think you only need to fork over the money if you want to diskwrite with it. Same condition as Impulse Tracker used to have, really.

BASSMOD hasn't been updated since version 2.0, it's quite out of date by now, and it doesn't ship with a standalone player. That and the library doesn't offer any of the extra effects, that should tell you something. However XMPlay's DSP is much better sounding than Modplug's.